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Feb 20, 2022

Chris and Jonathan welcome back to the show journalist Brooke Binkowski from Truth or Fiction to discuss the Joe Rogan/Spotify controversy and how we got here. The discussion includes what makes someone a journalist in 2022 and how reactionaries and extremists were early adopters of the Internet.


2:10 Addressing common accusations

3:44 The saga

5:26 The mainstreaming of falsehoods

8:21 Lack of responsibility and JAQing off

10:06 The aesthetics of masculine rationality and The X-Files

15:15 From harmless folklore to antisemitism

18:35 What makes someone a journalist

26:31 Moderating audio content

29:20 The 1988 Internet and surf Nazis

36:14 Monster Island, Galt’s Gulch, and Ram Ranch

42:13 The Spotify seal of approval and YouTube’s feeble moderation

46:08 The next five years of reactionary populism



* Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.


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1) The Daily podcast on the Joe Rogan saga:

2) Jonathan’s article on Joe Rogan:

3) The open letter to Spotify:

4) Aaron Rabinowitz’s article on Monster Island:

5) God Awful Movies’ review of Atlas Shrugged, Part 1:

6) Truth or Fiction:

7) Brooke on Twitter: